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03.10.2006 um 12:28:35

hello,

Im sorry but my German is not good so i will write in English and hope that people can help me.
I am from Holland and Married with a Nigerian and we are living in Germany (Hamburg) sins 1 april 2006 and we have 2 children.
I have my Freizugigkeitsgesets/EU sinds june 2006, because my husband had some problem in holland he got a SIS registration and the auslanderbehorde has given him Duldung 2 times, because they want to find out what happend in Holland before giving him his stay in Germany.
Now we find out that my husband is verry verry sick and we have a letter from the specialist in Germany that if he dont get treatment quik my husband will die in the comming months.
The problem is he dont have health insurance because i cant insure him because of the Duldung, i can only insure him when he got his stay.
we have tried everything, but he dont get medical help.
we dont know what to do annymore, does somebody have any suggestions.
Is it not so that because i have my stay that they have to give my husband his stay too.

Hope to get a reaction.

Moos

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Reni Silver Member Offline Beiträge: 1.036 Wien Wien Austria Beziehung zum Thema Ausländerrecht: Bekannt mit Ausländer/n/in	Re: help Antwort #1 - 03.10.2006 um 20:29:02 Best you get a lawyer and he makes some pressure with the health insurance - I think they are wrong not to insure him. He is your husband, and he is not here illegally. By the way, if they are still checking, and he already submitted all papers for a "Aufenthaltserlaubnis", he should not have a duldung, but "Fiktionsbescheinigung".
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Re: help
Antwort #2 - 03.10.2006 um 22:06:31

Hi,

We have a lawyer, he says that my husband will not get his stay in Germany
but according the european law or the mrax urteil, Germany can not refuse him unless he is a danger for societie... wich he is not.
We have tried for the health insurance but no way, we have a letter from the internist that says that my husband will die comming months if he dont get treatment, but nowbody seems to care.
We brought the letter from the internist to the auslanderbehorde and ask if they can be quik with the investigation and they said sorry that my husband is dying is not thier problem.
Does sombody know if they can send my husband away if they can refuse his
stay in Germany is the lawyer right, or do i need a new lawyer.

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Abu Silver Member Offline Beiträge: 2.772 Kleinmachnow Germany Geschlecht: Beziehung zum Thema Ausländerrecht: Ehegatte von ehem. Ausländer/in Staatsangehörigkeit: Deutsch	Re: help Antwort #3 - 03.10.2006 um 22:36:24 moos schrieb am 03.10.2006 um 12:28:35: because my husband had some problem in holland he got a SIS registration and the auslanderbehorde has given him Duldung 2 times, because they want to find out what happend in Holland before giving him his stay in Germany. What kind of problems? Abu
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Antwort #4 - 03.10.2006 um 23:25:54

My husband was in Holland for 10 years in the procedure, and in 2002 we took in a friend of my husband because he lost his house, while the friend was looking for a new house he stayed with us.
the friend used our house adress to transport drugs and when the police find out
the friend run away and they arrested my husband, because they thought he had something to do with it.
We go to court and they have sentenced me and my husband, because we have given sombody the oportunity to do this.
In holland when you are in a procedure it is forbidden to get anny problems with the law or police even small things.
So he had to leave holland in 2006 afther 4 years that this happend.

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Re: help
Antwort #5 - 03.10.2006 um 23:56:22

So wie ich das sehe, musste er wegen einer Drogengeschichte
die Niederlande verlassen und wurde im SIS ausgeschrieben.
(verurteilung wegen drogengeschichte )
Die Ausreise erfolgte nach Deutschland(somit der Ausreiseverpflichtung nicht nachgekommen), wo sich seine niederländische Ehefrau rechtmäßig aufhalten darf.

Er jedoch nicht,deswegen keine Fiktionsbescheinigung sondern Duldung

Wie die nun erforderliche Aufenthaltsbeendigung mit der wohl
vorliegenden Krankheit zu vereinbaren ist, wird das Gesundheits
amt feststellen.

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inge Gold Member Offline Beiträge: 4.002 Geschlecht: Beziehung zum Thema Ausländerrecht: Ehegatte von Ausländer/in Staatsangehörigkeit: D(m) + UA(f)	Re: help Antwort #6 - 04.10.2006 um 11:14:40 @moos I'd suggest that you go to your local "Sozialamt" and talk to them about the situation. You might also use www.dasoertliche.de and search for "Migration" for the city you live in (or the next major city) This should return contact details for organizations with experience in migration/alien issues.
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Re: help
Antwort #7 - 04.10.2006 um 11:34:57

inge schrieb am 04.10.2006 um 11:14:40:

@moos
I'd suggest that you go to your local "Sozialamt" and talk to them about the situation.

Krankenhilfe. They might ask you to pay if you have enough money.

Bring a short letter today to your Sozialamt, let it sign by your husband, as follows:

"An das Sozialamt.

Ich, XXXX YYYY, beantrage wegen einer lebensbedrohlichen Erkrankung (name of the illness) Krankenhilfe für ambulante und stationäre Behandlung. Die eigentlich vorgesehene Mitversicherung über meine Ehefrau kam bislang noch nicht zustande, weil die Ausländerbehörde anstelle der vorgesehenen Aufenthaltserlaubnis-EU bislang nur Duldungen erteilt, da sie wg. meines Voraufenthaltes in den Niederlanden offensichtlich noch Klärungsbedarf sieht."

Send your husband to the hospital as soon as possible, they should not refuse him.

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maki Gold Member Offline laie! Beiträge: 4.510 Sydney New South Wales Australia Geschlecht: Beziehung zum Thema Ausländerrecht: ehemalige/r Ausländer/in Staatsangehörigkeit: deutsch	Re: help Antwort #8 - 04.10.2006 um 11:45:01 Hello moos, Zitat: My husband was in Holland for 10 years in the procedure What "procedure"? What was the reason for it?
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Antwort #9 - 04.10.2006 um 11:53:49

moos schrieb am 03.10.2006 um 23:25:54:

the friend used our house adress to transport drugs and when the police find out
the friend run away and they arrested my husband, because they thought he had something to do with it.
We go to court and they have sentenced me and my husband, because we have given sombody the oportunity to do this.

What was the conviction for your husband? Fine and/or imprisonment?

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Antwort #10 - 04.10.2006 um 12:02:39

We went to the social amt allready, they gave my husband 140 euro a mont for
expences he will make he will get it every month.
But the department who can give him insurance dont want to give him that, because they say that we are married and i have to arrange that in holland, but in Holland they say no, because they can only insure him if he get his definit stay wich they dont give because they are still investigating.
The migration arranged this connection for us with the social amt.
Further we connected the red cross, they helped where they could there are two specialist who tried everything possible to get help for my husband, they sent letters to the social amt, they arranged a lawyer, they even called the mayor of the place we stay but nowbody can help.

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Antwort #11 - 04.10.2006 um 12:05:32

moos schrieb am 03.10.2006 um 22:06:31:

We have a lawyer, he says that my husband will not get his stay in Germany
but according the european law or the mrax urteil, Germany can not refuse him unless he is a danger for societie... wich he is not.

We brought the letter from the internist to the auslanderbehorde and ask if they can be quik with the investigation and they said sorry that my husband is dying is not thier problem.

If you can prove they said this, they will have serious problems. They should have sent him to the Sozialamt.

Concerning the public danger, the procedure should follow § 6 FreizügG/EU. A criminal conviction might not be enough for that.

By the way, your husband might get the health insurance even without Aufenthaltserlaubnis-EU, as this one has purely declaratory value.

5.2.3 Ebenso wie die bisherige Aufenthaltserlaubnis -EG hat die Aufenthaltserlaubnis-EU rein deklaratorischen Charakter, d.h. das Freizügigkeitsrecht wird originär durch den EG-Vertrag und seine Durchführungsbestimmungen begründet und nicht durch die Erteilung einer Aufenthaltserlaubnis.

But it will take too much time to get this in court, that's why the Sozialamt must help first and may try to get the money back from your health insurance.

You also might want to contact http://ec.europa.eu/europedirect/index_nl.htm but that should not be a reason to wait with any other letter or medical treatment.

Regards, ULF

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moos Themenstarter Junior Member Offline i love i4a Beiträge: 15 Geschlecht: Beziehung zum Thema Ausländerrecht: Ehegatte von Ausländer/in	Re: help Antwort #12 - 04.10.2006 um 12:12:31 My Husband was in the procedure to get his stay in Holland with me. Its verry difficult in Holland to get your stay even if you are married and have children, like we do we are married and have two children. The sentence my husband got was a jail sentence, but a gentle one, during the week he was in jail and in the weekend he was home. Moos
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Antwort #13 - 04.10.2006 um 12:14:19

moos schrieb am 04.10.2006 um 12:02:39:

We went to the social amt allready, they gave my husband 140 euro a mont for
expences he will make he will get it every month.
But the department who can give him insurance dont want to give him that, because they say that we are married and i have to arrange that in holland, but in Holland they say no, because they can only insure him if he get his definit stay wich they dont give because they are still investigating.

They do not have the right to refuse Krankenhilfe saying your husband should have stayed in the Netherlands. Looks like he couldn't get a residence status there as NL spouse residence law is harsher than German and EU law.

If they refused Krankenhilfe, send an Eilantrag to your competent Sozialgericht (your lawyer should do so).

And again, the Aufenthaltserlaubnis-EU has no other value than just confirming your husband's residence rights he gets directly from the EC treaties.

You might contact the press, i.e. newspapers and TV stations for your case.

To be complete, you also might have a problem with your status in Germany if you are a public danger. In principle, the same rules as for your husband apply.

Do you work? Are you a jobseeker?

Regards, ULF

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Ulf Ex-Mitglied Beziehung zum Thema Ausländerrecht: Ich oute mich später	Re: help Antwort #14 - 04.10.2006 um 12:16:13 moos schrieb am 04.10.2006 um 12:12:31: The sentence my husband got was a jail sentence, but a gentle one, during the week he was in jail and in the weekend he was home. How many weeks/months/years? Regards, ULF
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