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Antwort #15 - 14.03.2017 um 17:55:23
 
The freedom of movement directive is not appicable, if the person is abusing the directive and wants to circumvent national immigration laws. So you have to prove, that you and your wife have honest intentions.

So yes, if your wifes accompanies you, than she can easily get the entry visa. But she has to prove to be your wife. Thats why you need the marriage certificate, at best legalized for denmark and maybe germany.

If you land together in Germany it is hard to refuse her the entry, because only if you both married just for the residencecard, she could be refused. Now prove that as border patrol.... You could even say, that you just want to visit Germany and go back to algeria or whatever. The visa could not be refused. Heck... you cant be even asked what the purpose of your travel is, because it would be a discrimination on citizenship, because the borderl patrol doesnt have the right to ask this to a german citizen.

But we have in german a saying: Wie man in den Wald ruft so schallt es hinaus.

Meaning in your case, that you should make the decision for the border patrol easy. Come with valid papers and maybe a hotel reservation and have a reasonable talk. And if they ask, why you land in Düsseldorf, than you show at best a paper that you are now working for the Düsseldorf-Branch etc..  Then the border patrol will not think twice about giving the visa.

E.g. get a E-104 form from your health insurance so that you maybe can transit faster to german health care system. Even if you will be in the obligatory health insurance this would be a paper which would prove your intention for using the freedom of movement.
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Antwort #16 - 14.03.2017 um 20:07:27
 
Aras schrieb am 14.03.2017 um 17:55:23:
The freedom of movement directive is not appicable, if the person is abusing the directive and wants to circumvent national immigration laws. So you have to prove, that you and your wife have honest intentions.

So yes, if your wifes accompanies you, than she can easily get the entry visa. But she has to prove to be your wife. Thats why you need the marriage certificate, at best legalized for denmark and maybe germany.

If you land together in Germany it is hard to refuse her the entry, because only if you both married just for the residencecard, she could be refused. Now prove that as border patrol.... You could even say, that you just want to visit Germany and go back to algeria or whatever. The visa could not be refused. Heck... you cant be even asked what the purpose of your travel is, because it would be a discrimination on citizenship, because the borderl patrol doesnt have the right to ask this to a german citizen.

But we have in german a saying: Wie man in den Wald ruft so schallt es hinaus.

Meaning in your case, that you should make the decision for the border patrol easy. Come with valid papers and maybe a hotel reservation and have a reasonable talk. And if they ask, why you land in Düsseldorf, than you show at best a paper that you are now working for the Düsseldorf-Branch etc..  Then the border patrol will not think twice about giving the visa.

E.g. get a E-104 form from your health insurance so that you maybe can transit faster to german health care system. Even if you will be in the obligatory health insurance this would be a paper which would prove your intention for using the freedom of movement.


Well, in this case we don't have any intention to circumvent any immigration laws. We are simply interested in using them in every single way we can - and if that means to "buy a ticket to Dubai and act like we're going there" and then do a transit jump-off, but still enter the country 100% legally, then that is what we're gonna do!

We've been together since 2013, and married for 6 months now, and we're sick and tired of living 3000km apart. The Danish minister of Immigration just posted a photo today on her Facebook page, with a biiiiiig cake, to celebrate that they, in 1,5 year, has accomplished to make 50 new immigration laws that will make it harder for people to get into Denmark.

So our only hope right now is the EU Directive. And we are tired of waiting for embassies handling applications or giving us false informations because they "have their own way of understanding the visa rules". So now we might try to apply for a visa at the German embassy, but if they cause too much trouble, this is a 1500 EUR gamble that we are ready to try!

And my work have a german department, but I haven't talked to them yet about moving there, since it's not 100% yet. But if we decide to do it, hopefully they are willing to let me move to the german department and give me a contract before we try and enter Germany.

That E-104 form - can I get that online? Or where can I find it?
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Antwort #17 - 14.03.2017 um 20:50:58
 
Zitat:
For more information about the E104 form, please contact Udbetaling Danmark, tel.: 70128081


http://ias.au.dk/uic/show/artikel/the-e104-form-documents-danish-health-care-cov...

Do you have enough money to stay for a few months in germany? In worst case you take vacation and/or unpaid free time for 6 month. You just need enough money for the health insurance (costs for you in case of being unpaid is about 180 €/month and your wife is covered too), for a appartment in a really cheap area (e.g. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern  Laut lachend) and enough money for food etc..

After 6 month you go back to denmark and live happily ever after.
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Antwort #18 - 14.03.2017 um 20:54:41
 
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Point to german Freizügigkeitsgesetz section 2 subsection (5).
The version in english is available here:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_freiz_gg_eu/englisch_freiz_gg_eu.htm...

Additionally point to Verwaltungsvorschrift zum Freizügigkeitsgesetz 2.5.1
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Antwort #19 - 15.03.2017 um 13:14:27
 
Aras schrieb am 14.03.2017 um 20:50:58:
http://ias.au.dk/uic/show/artikel/the-e104-form-documents-danish-health-care-cov...

Do you have enough money to stay for a few months in germany? In worst case you take vacation and/or unpaid free time for 6 month. You just need enough money for the health insurance (costs for you in case of being unpaid is about 180 €/month and your wife is covered too), for a appartment in a really cheap area (e.g. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern  Laut lachend) and enough money for food etc..

After 6 month you go back to denmark and live happily ever after.


Thanks for the information! Zwinkernd

Well, we are not interested in going back to Denmark. So I plan to work and live in Germany for at least 5 years. Smiley Eventually we will move to Ireland when she has a residence card, in case the language barrier makes it too difficult for her to get a job in Germany.

But I will check out the information provided. Smiley

Thanks!!
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